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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 1, 2007 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 6-18 -95

cont..
I was at the show - about 10 rows up Jerry side - add that to the jumbo screen and it was OBVIOUS he was a mess - right from the Bertha (I swear it looked like he was going to fall over right on the spot) - I almost never looked at the stage - more dancing to the music being played - but when he started Bertha and it sounded so bad I spent the entire song looking at him - it was bad/sad. Left after Eyes (only show of 125+ that I walked out on)-fortunately missing the unlistenable Wharf.

Isn't there a China Cat from the end you can have the same debate about?

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Jun 1, 2007 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

I guess I'll weigh in here too. While I DO hear that it sounds a litle like Throwing Stones, I hear more of Wharf Rat, and that it was Jerry trying something kinda different. Eventhough Blair Jackson and many others have said it was totally bad, did Bob, Phil, Billy, Mickey, or Vince say that it Jerry falling apart? Did anyone actually talk to Garcia to hear his take on it? I don't though... it kinda sorta works for me.

But agin...it's JUST me.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 1, 2007 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

This show- specifically the "Wharf Rat" incident - is specifically mentioned in Blair Jackson's book. One of the crew (sorry, I can't recall who) is quoted as saying "There was a moment at the beginning of 'Wharf Rat' where Jerry seemed really lost, and for a minute I wasn't sure he was going to come out of it...it was pretty scary."
I might not have it word for word, but it's damn close. The fact that someone who worked with the band on a daily basis recognized the issue says quite a bit, I think.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 1, 2007 4:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

come on guys, it's horrid, enough of the madness...Garcia himself would probably throw up in his mouth a little upon hearing this Wharf Rat intro...now let's take this discussion out back and let Uncle Cletus put it out of it's misery...

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Poster: patkelley Date: Jun 1, 2007 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

I'm not sure what's so bad about this Wharf Rat?? I'm as avid a listener as everyone else here, and I'm not afraid to call the GD out on bad performances. But this isnt one of them. It's different, as far as the first part of the composition goes, but I dont think Garcia or the rest of the band got lost at any point. In fact, to the extent that it was an impromptu change in the rhythm by Garcia, I think the rest of the boys do an outstanding job adapting-- real pros. Makes me wonder how strange this music is that there is such a divided opinion with extreme views about one version of one song.

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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 1, 2007 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

alright-I'll have to listen to it again (over the weekend-can't now) several times and carefully.

what's the date of that Chinacat?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 1, 2007 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

While we're obviously on different sides of this one, Pat, I will agree that it's a great example of some of the voodoo going on with the band's music in that we all listen to the same piece yet come away with such different opinions.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 1, 2007 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

Agree completely. How many times has someone said "You've got to hear this show! It's the best ever!" and after you listen to it, you respond "Well, it's OK". This is especially true when the other person was at the show and you weren't. Definitely an "I was there" bias exists, but not always. Take me, for example. I was at the Phoenix 94 shows and came away thinking "Jerry has truly lost it and become a shadow of his former self", but if you read the reviews here of the shows, most are 4 stars or higher. Different people, different impressions. I think that is what is so great about this music, it is hits everyone on different levels, creating the wonderful and varied discussions we continue to this day.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Jun 2, 2007 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

also i believe a lot heads still are in denial over the fact that jerry's health was so bad at that time. some believe that it didn't have any affect on him and the music. it's just too damm obvious what was goin' on at these shows especially the 6-18 show. he was a complete mess and for those to say this sounds good is just not seeing the forest through the trees..and i was one of them ...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 1, 2007 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

I too was at the '94 shows here and feel more or less the same way... Oh well, something is better nothing. As I recall there wasn't much on TV that weekend anyway...

;)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 1, 2007 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95

Well, I guess the friend I made in the parking lot who had his own tank of nitrous in the back of his van helped make it pretty cool. As for the TV issue, you've got a good point. Beats a sharp stick in the eye.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 1, 2007 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 6-18 -95


;)